Wednesday, October 01, 2008

Greetings in the name of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ.

With this document we want to share the united opinion of many who have studied and compared the dreams of Ernie Knoll against the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. However, a little background on who we are and the process is in order.

Our small weekly study group first heard of Ernie Knoll and his dreams on May 16 2007. One of the brothers in our study group brought the dream he had called Go Forth! and shared it that evening. After reading and discussing the dream we had a long season of prayer. The following week we met and it was decided that we should begin reading and study all of the dreams brother Knoll had had. We decided to compare them as we have been instructed, "to the Law and to the Testimony." It was decided that we needed to compare these messages to the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. It was also decided as we studied to keep our findings to our self as to not promote a fore or against decision. As time went and additional dreams came we decided to broaden our group study. Invitations were sent out to 'select' individuals to participate in an in depth study of the dreams. The stipulation was set forth that the invited individual would remain anonymous along with the rest of the established group and that their name would never be shared. As the group grew the group moved to an email discussion in a closed online forum. The men in this now large study group are made up of the following individuals. Active and retired pastors from the General Conference. Select leaders from different Unions. Active and retired pastors from select Seventh-Day Adventist churches. Active and retired teachers and professors from different academies, colleges and universities. Literature evangelists. Attorneys from private as well as firm based. Select ardent students of the Bible. It was this large group that we began an ardent and exhaustive study of the dreams of Brother Ernie Knoll.

Following the example given from Spirit of Prophecy shown below we began. We know that we had to follow the council from God given to Ellen White. "First submitting it to brethren of experience. Lay it before them in a humble, teachable spirit, with earnest prayer; and if they see no light in it, yield to their judgment; for "in the multitude of counselors there is safety."--Testimonies, Vol. 5, pp. 291-293"

In taking direction from Spirit of Prophecy on reorganization at the beginning of Solomon's reign.

In planning for the administration of the affairs of the kingdom, after David abdicated in favor of Solomon, the aged king and his son and their counselors regarded it as essential that everything be done with regularity, propriety, fidelity, and dispatch. So far as possible, they followed the system of organization given Israel soon after the deliverance from Egypt. The Levites were assigned the work connected with the temple service, including the ministry of song and instrumental music, and the keeping of the treasures. {RH, October 12, 1905 par. 3} 

The men capable of bearing arms and of serving the king were divided into twelve courses of twenty-four thousand each. Over every course was a captain. "The general of the king's army was Joab." "The courses . . . came in and went out month by month throughout all the months of the year." Thus every group of twenty-four thousand served the king one month during each year. {RH, October 12, 1905 par. 4} 

David appointed Jonathan, his uncle, as "a counselor, a wise man, and a scribe;" Ahithophel also was "the king's counselor. . . . And after Ahithophel was Johoiada . . . and Abiathar." Hushai was "the king's friend." By his prudent example, the aged king taught Solomon that "in the multitude of counselors there is safety." {RH, October 12, 1905 par. 5} 

The thoroughness and completeness of the organization perfected at the beginning of Solomon's reign; the comprehensiveness of the plans for bringing the largest number possible of all the people into active service; the wide distribution of responsibility, so that the service of God and of the king should not be unduly burdensome to any individual or class,--these are lessons which all may study with profit, and which the leaders of the Christian church should understand and follow. {RH, October 12, 1905 par. 6} 

This picture of a great and mighty nation living in simplicity and comfort in rural homes, every person rendering willing and unsalaried service to God and the king for a portion of each year, is one from which we may gather many helpful suggestions. {RH, October 12, 1905 par. 7}

We set forth to either prove or disprove these messages. They were either from God or from Satan. It was decided early on that we would not rush forward with our findings. We have seen many others who have done this and we as a group will address these as well.

The other item which was decided was the testimony of a prostitute by the name of Candace which is found on Brother Knoll's Web site. The testimony is located at this address http://www.4hispeople.com/divineinterventionspg2.html. It was decided to prove her as real or made up. It was decided that a private investigator would be hired. We gave the investigator a copy of the testimony and a little information we had gathered to begin his research. In July of 2008 he was successful at locating her. It was then decided that three pastors would visit her. It was also decided to make the visit unplanned. In August of 2008 three pastors arrived at her location. One of the visiting pastors stated "when the young lady opened the door to our shock and surprise she looked at each of us and called us each by our name." She explained that her angel had told her not only the exact day but also the hour the three pastors would arrive but also the names and what the three pastors would look like. The three pastors conducted a long interview. At the end one requested to see the Bible and the book Great Controversy she was given at the shopping center when the angel dropped her off. He also requested to see the book Creeping Compromise which the angel hand delivered to her later. It was reported that all three pastors were overcome with emotions and they all fell to their knees in supplication for God's goodness. At the end of the meeting Candace requested that the three pastors never disclose where she lives nor her real name. On behalf of the group that sent the three pastors a request was made that she not disclose the names of the three pastors.

As a study group we have read and discussed the negative comments that have been made. We wish to briefly discuss a few of these in this document.

We found it interesting that no tangible decision had been made as to the origin of the messages Brother Knoll had been receiving till the February 5 dream called Stand Fast. The first comment was made regarding the execution of many till Revelation 20:4 was discussed. Things quickly escalated when the statement of the tithe was made. A quick decision was reached by Pastor Steve Wohlberg who is the director of White Horse Media and G. Edward Reid who is the Stewardship Director for the NAD. Both of these individuals rushed comments to discredit Brother Knoll. Brother Wohlberg quickly denounced the messenger who speaks with brother Knoll and stated the messenger was of Satan. We are cautioned against this in both the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. Not long after this comment Brother Wohlberg states that 1st John 4 1-3 is not a valid test. The entire study group had a problem with this comment from brother Wolhberg. Another item was the fact that he denies that Jesus came in the flesh as Adam after sin without the propensity to sin. This setup another red flag to the study group as to the validity of his thinking. When we studied in the April 12, 2008 dream titled Love and Rebuke, we quickly realized that this was addressing Steve Wolhberg and White Horse Media.

"Let he that rides dismount and prostrate before the Lord of hosts, the Creator of the universe, He who came to be the created. Bow before your Master and confess your sins so all will hear of your rebellion. A message was sent to a chosen messenger and you denied your Lord's ear and convinced others to turn away. Repent now and ask for forgiveness so the Father will hear and turn His face toward you. Ask this through and in the name of His Son. Kneel, confess your sins lest the streams and rivers dry up and the horse that drinks die, lest you walk the face of the earth and every ear turn away from you as the words you speak fall like rocks from your mouth. Repent lest the Lord God spew you out of His mouth as boiling seawater."

Now we see on the White Horse Media web site a plea for emergency funds. God is fulfilling His rebuke. It appears that brother Wohlberg's ministry is dying. You can find his plea for emergency funding at this link. news_29(webmasters note: the newsletter the original link pointed to was changed by White Horse Media so we are providing a copy for all to see.)

As for Brother Reid, it is obvious why many of this group wish to remain un-named. Many are still receiving financial support but we ask for how much longer. Brother Reid's comments he made regarding brother Knoll was unprepared. It was a quick release to discredit brother Knoll and no study was given. After a thorough in depth study of what the messenger told brother Knoll, we have found that the message is in complete agreement with the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. The other item which needs to be addressed is the usage of the story of the widow and her few mites. This is not the illustration Jesus was giving that she gave all she had to a corrupt storehouse but that she was faithful in paying a tithe. This is what brother Knoll was shown. It is important to pay a tithe but that the payer will be held accountable if the payer knows the tithe is being used against God's will. This is in agreement with Spirit of Prophecy. As we studied further in to Gods storehouse it is shown that Sister White specifically stated that the conference is not to be the only storehouse. So the question came as to where should tithe be sent. The answer was simple. To those who are doing the work of God. How would one know if they are doing the work of God? We are told by their fruits you shall know them. Some have stated that it is wrong that brother Knoll is accepting tithe but then again it is also realized that the fruit of his ministry has brought more souls back to God then many churches through a course of many evangelistic series. We have found that so many are blinded by wrong leadership that wrong decisions are being made by individuals. One final note is the group discussed how it was announced recently a conference placed the entire retirement fund for pastors in a stock and then lost all of the funds. If you the reader are hearing of pastoral layoffs and or how pastors will be now having several churches in their district this is a contribution to the misuse of Gods money. The comment is stated that tithe is at an all time low. It is also at an all time high that the tithe is being misused by the one who holds the keys. United are we in watching to see the keys knocked from brother Reid's hand. Ed this plea also comes from your co-workers. Choose you this day our brother. How long oh Lord must we watch till your church be cleansed! It was also discussed how Brother Reid contacted the churches via the NAD to not allow Brother Knoll to speak in any of our churches. We discussed who these churches belong to. We have always believed they belonged to God. We invite pastors to re-think whom you report to.

An individual named Eugene Prewitt performed a study and discredited brother Knoll. We will not take time to go over his many comments as others have already done this on other web sites. A few of the web site that go over brother Prewitt's comments is www.pinkoski.com and www.4hispeople.info.

Linda Kirk shared a testimony regarding brother and sister Knoll. The open letter she shared was not against the message but against the messenger. We found it interesting that her letter made the Adventist email rounds but the response he made did not. We feel it is important that brother Knoll's response to Linda Kirk be given equal viewing. Following this link will take you to the response given by brother Knoll.
http://ernieknoll.com/documents/Letter%20to%20Linda%20Kirk.pdf

Vance Farrell wrote an article subjecting his view points with Linda Kirk. The article lends itself to Linda Kirk. We the group found Linda's loyalties to her former boss she used to be Steve Wohlberg's secretary.

David Gates who was sharing the messages of brother Knoll received an email from someone named LJ. In the email she discredits Brother Knoll. Brother Gates without verifying what he read was true or not quickly dismissed brother Knoll and sided with LJ. LJ are the initials of an individual named Laura Lee Jones. It was found in WorldNetDaily what Laura Lee Jones believes. It was found that David Gates had joined hands with a woman that not only promotes Feast Days but also according to her article, all of the "Sabbaths" in the month of August fall on Sunday. Here is a copy of the article with photos of LJ.

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